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Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly. 'Aha! The Bible!'

He considers for a moment, 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good!'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues.

'He doesn't, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Er...yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one, 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters, 'From God.'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir...'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes.'

'So who created evil?' The professor continued, 'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer.

'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet. 'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question, 'Who created them?'

There is still no answer... Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

'Tell me,' he continues onto another student. 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks. 'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing, 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes.'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my faith.'

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of His own. 'Professor, is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. 'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time, 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains...

'You argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.'

'It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it...'

'Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Can you give me an example of a genetic mutation or a evolutionary process that can be seen increased the information in the genome?'

The professor was about to say something, but stops.  He looks like he couldn't even think of an answer.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.' The student looks around the room, 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?' The class breaks out into laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.'

'So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable. Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers, 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,' the student continues, 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied, 'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the darkness that comes when there is no light.'

The professor sat down.
A revision of a story from the web
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"Science is the glimpse of God's purpose in nature. The very existence of the amazing world of the atom and radiation points to a purposeful creation, to the idea that there is a God and an intelligent purpose back of everything . . .An orderly universe testifies to the greatest statement ever uttered; 'In the beginning, God . . .'"
Arthur H. Compton, winner of the Nobel Prize in Physics.

Though you might not believe in God, God believes in you.
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[link] seek and find
[link] Tekotonics
[link] Got questions?
[link] Apologetics Press
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If you got something to ask (in a nice and humble manner), you can ask and I will give you my answer. But if you don't, DO NOT give me a hard time. I don't go and give bad comments to other people's deviations (whether it's of evolution or other religions).

I don't believe that Bible-bashing is a good deal, we can't force people to believe. All we do is plant God's seeds and let the Holy Spirit do it's job. Basically, just be the person who cares, instead of the person who bashes others.
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Kegger98 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
We'll, if evil is an absence of god, then what about place where the teachings of god didn't exist or even the idea of a single god? Or, what about the crusades or religious groups that commit evil things? Is that not evil since there's God?
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Mar 3, 2014
Hmm, I often wonder about that as well.  But I've come to the conclusion that even though the teachings aren't there, I have no doubt that God is working in those places and is setting everything up there for good and not evil.
The Crusades are quite a subject.  From what I saw, they were more of a political thing and not a religious thing.  Also, at that time, they've taught things that God doesn't approve of.  For example, the priest(s) at that day taught that if you went to war there, you will be forgiven for all of your sins.  This teaching is wrong and is not what God teaches, for that no man is righteous by deeds, but through faith and it is given, not earned, so no one can boast.
Mind you, I don't have all the answers and I'm not going to pretend that I do.  So, I'm just giving all that I know and some of my conclusions.
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Kegger98 Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2014
Doesn't that definition you gave of god being everywhere contradict the one in the story? 
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014
God is everywhere, but the reason why suffering and evil exist is by the curse of the Fall, which caused by making a decision not influenced by God or his morals.  Evil acts are done by the person's evil intentions or by Satan's influence, not by God's influence or morals.
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Kegger98 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2014
Then instead of saying evil is without god, it should be a lack of faith in the world is the cause of evil.
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2014
No, not a lack of faith, it's rebellion.  Going against God and his law.  For example, murdering an innocent in cold blood is not what God wants us to do and warns us against this act.  But, going against God's will and only going by their own (or Satan's) will is evil.
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Kegger98 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2014
Thanks, I was looking for a word. Yeah, rebellion is a better word for it.
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2014
You're welcome :)
Yeah, rebellion is a really good word for it :D

To be honest, I was looking for that word too XD  Talk about embarrassing, huh?  How are ya?
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Degyfridou Featured By Owner May 2, 2013
That was beautiful :)
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner May 2, 2013
Thank you :)
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1UPYoshi Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Wow, I never thought of it that way. This was very well done :)
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2013
Thanks :)
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1UPYoshi Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2013  Student Digital Artist
you're welcome :)
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Charanty Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012
Interesting point you have here.)
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012
Thank you :)
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Charanty Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2012
Welcome)
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inhonoredglory Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011  Student General Artist
This is very, very interesting. I never thought of evil that way, but it does indeed make sense. LOL, I was getting concerned there for a minute with the prof winning the argument. But I have to think about evil like that some more. Very enlightening...
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011
Thanks
When you think about, decisions and people without the influence of God can get REALLY evil (take look at the Nazis and Stalin).
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inhonoredglory Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2011  Student General Artist
Mmm, indeed. That is very true. The atheistic communist regimes are certainly an example of that.
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011
And others as well.
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Exterm1337 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
Except Hitler was born and raised a Catholic :)
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2012
Maybe, but he didn't really stick into it, morally and spiritually, ya know?
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Allendra3 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Love this! Thanks for rewriting, this flows better! I also posted a link to this in my "How I Know God Exists" journal, the link to which is in my signature!
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2011
You're welcome :D
Good Deal :)
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catholic-deviant Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
nice, i might use this if I get any upitty prodessors when I go to college
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2011
Yeah, but just do it "Gentleness and Respect".
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catholic-deviant Featured By Owner Feb 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
of course
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LuvsSpunkRansom Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Student Photographer
This is amazing. Thanks for the rewrite!
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
Thanks :)
You're welcome :D
And thanks for the faves
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LuvsSpunkRansom Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Student Photographer
Yeah! No problem! I've been meaning to read them for a while and I just got around to reading them today. They are awesome!
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
Good Deal :D
Thanks and I bet you'll love this: [link]
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Thanks for the llama
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LuvsSpunkRansom Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010  Student Photographer
Thanks!
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2010
You're welcome :D
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:hug:
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dorkinabubble Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2010  Student General Artist
EEEEEE I love it! Thank you so much for this. He who is set in his own ways will never let a new idea in, and I hate reading those kinds of arguments, but at least this one turned out for the better.
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2010
Thanks :)
You're welcome :)
Yeah, pretty much. Here's a philosophy I've heard once: "Be open to listen to other ideas, but stay strong in the Truth."
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dorkinabubble Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2010  Student General Artist
Nice, I'll remember that! :D
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BarbecuedIguana Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2010
I hate to add to the hub-bub, but I don't think evil is the absence of God. Evil is the absence of shared standards among living creatures.

I mean, if I cut down the last of a rare tree in order to make a foot stool, most people would consider than an act of destruction, hence evil. The end product is not nearly worth as much as the raw materials which went into it.

Now if I cut down the same tree to refine chemical compounds which would provide a drug that would stop a worldwide zombie plague which is threatening the existence of all life then that's an act of creation and hence good. The end product is worth far more than the raw materials.

If there's no one around to witness the act and cast judgement then all we have is transformation, an ethically neutral act.

Of course, if God and religion were the sole determinants of ones code of values then good and evil probably would seem like absolutes. Of course this could also be the reason why different religions never seem to get along despite preaching many of the same things. Everyone wants to control the character of God and cast him in his own image.
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2010
My responses to your example

If you cut it down so that you can make a foot stool, that just unwise and stupid.

If you cut it down so you can have a cure, that's a bit touchy. Since the Lord does not want us to wipe out a tree or animal species, but he does want us to use things here on earth only if we need it. And besides, there other techniques of taking something like that out of a tree. But if you had to resort to chopping it down, then you must seen that it might have seeds or fruit that you can use to replant it if you can. But the Lord gave us a dominion over nature so that we can use it properly.

The way I see it, God sees the action coming.

I know that man can't control how God works, we can only understand who God is as a person. The Bible describes to us that God is loving and merciful, but he is righteous and just. I think the reason why he hates sin is not because that it's against his word, but he knows of the consequences that happen after them. Like if you murdered someone, imagine what happens after. The murderer might be haunted by the memory of killing him, it would disturb relations with other humans, it might set a sort of imbalance in family and business issues (depending on the victim), etc. There are several possibilities of what would happen after a sin was committed and God knows them all.
(Now, I meant murdering a regular guy, not a tyrant or anything like that.)
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BarbecuedIguana Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2010
Yeah..., but man does control how God works, and does so largely through our understanding of him as a person. I mean would you know God and understand his desires if you didn't have the Bible to guide you?

Even with a Bible I still don't know whether I'm supposed to be able to eat shrimp or not. The Old Testament says I shouldn't, nothing in the New Testament says that I should, and yet it's a pretty firm part of my culture. It seems kinda silly, but there are some people out there who take it with terrible seriousness.

See, I'm agnostic. I do believe in God, almighty and creator of the universe, but I also believe that the Gods that most people believe in are manifestations of societal values - the most powerful imaginary friends to walk the face of the Earth - yet imaginary all the same.

You bring up the matter of sin. God the creator does not hate sin - he's the one who makes sure that all things living will someday die (of course, he probably has a very good reason for that, but that's another discussion for another time). Society as God does. Society hates it in the way that metal hates rust (providing metal could actually hate) because the consequences of such action is societal breakdown. And this is yet another reason why religions want to control so much of our lives - it's because your anti-social behavior is killing God :roll:.

So where am I going with this? I guess it's the notion that you can be totally right and yet still be wrong. Oh, and yes, cutting down a tree to build a foot stool is pretty stupid - unless of course the lever to advert nuclear catastrophe is just a few feet out of reach :D
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2010
With the Bible, I learn that who God is and such. Sometimes God will show himself to a person, he has to several people (from reports of missionaries).

Well, I remember a story in the Bible that tells us that all meat is okay now. And abut those unclean meats in the Old Testament, I believe that God didn't want us to eat those because with the cooking skills at the time, it was unhealthy to eat them. For example, you have to cook ostrich meat just right to get it edible, you have to cook pork very well in order to not get parasites, etc.

Well, I can tell you that I have a friendship with the Lord and I know that he cares for me.

I still say he hates sin 'cause it can bring bad things to us
My anti-social behavior? What do you mean by that? I do socialize with people.

Well, we do need to use things here on Earth for our health and whatnot, so we can both agree on that. But we just need to be wise on using it and whatnot.
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BarbecuedIguana Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2010
I didn't mean you exactly. I was just rambling off the top of my head. I really need to stop answering these things so early in the morning :D
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2010
Ha ha, just be careful. Somethings are better left in our heads, you know?
It's okay, I'm kinda used to it (but don't get any ideas).
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ForestHymn Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
This is deep and leaves us thinking... evil Is the absence of God!! it just makes sense... Lucifer did not want God in his life, and since God has made His creations free, then He will not force Himself on them! He wants us to serve Him out of love!!

thanks for posting this! it's refreshing to understand Good and evil in a new way.
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2010
Exactly :)

You're welcome :D
It is.
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breathinlife Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
This is very interesting, I like it a lot. These sorts of theological debates are fascinating.
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PonchoFirewalker01 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2010
Thanks :)
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LandOriginaL Featured By Owner Jul 1, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
WOW! Very Powerful! :-)
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